C. Mike Mathis (MPOG Research Director): I would be interested to hear
the decision made by Cleveland Clinic and what evidence was used for
their protocols. Also interested in how this measure handles allergies.
a. Allison Janda (MPOG Cardiac Subcommittee Chair): It’s difficult
to capture allergies as an exclusion from a data perspective.
That’s a limitation of this measure. Those would result as
flagged if one of the other antibiotic combinations was not
given.
b. Bethany Pennington (WashU): ASHP guidelines even
recommend vancomycin + fluoroquinolone. With allergies these
days, even though vancomycin + aminoglycoside is
recommended, many organizations are not administering that
combination due to risk of renal toxicity. Can see where
aztreonam is the selection of choice over aminoglycosides for
that reason.
D. Mariya Guebe (Cleveland Clinic): I think it would be better to leave it
more broad to ensure there is gram positive and gram negative
coverage. Aminoglycosides are
a. Danny Muehlschlegel (Johns Hopkins): There are gray areas here
and I tend to agree with Mariya here. Overall goal should be to
administer antibiotics in a broader sense and not adhere to a
particular recipe, especially since there is limited evidence of
one over another.
E. Mike Mathis (MPOG Research Director): If we want to move forward
with different pass reason for vancomycin + gram negative coverage, I
think it’s important to break out the different reasons for passing
F. Mariya Geube (Cleveland Clinic): Is Cleveland Clinic the only site
administering aztreonam + vancomycin?
G. Allison Janda (MPOG Cardiac Subcommittee Chair): Cleveland Clinic has
the highest rate of aztreonam + vancomycin use but there are other
institutions administering them as well.
H. Bethany Pennington (WashU): WashU uses aztreonam + vancomycin for
PCN Allergies
I. Joseph Sanders (Henry Ford Detroit): Henry Ford Detroit also uses
aztreonam + vancomycin for PCN allergies as well.
i) Next Steps:
a) Update measure to separate passing reasons for each of the antibiotic
combinations
b) Add new passing criteria for vancomycin + any gram-negative antibiotic
ABX-05: Composite Antibiotic Compliance for Open Cardiac